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Post by Admin on Oct 1, 2008 9:49:18 GMT
Reading the President's Report to the AGM;
(which was available to read but the link seems to be broken now)
It is obvious that Junior Rowing (you lot) is the strongest sector in Irish Rowing. The most populated (+50% of Irish rowing) and internationally succesful group (medalling strongly at the Coupe + Homes).
Therefore, should there be more emphasis on you, as a group? Should there be more specific races? A return to the Interprovincial Regatta's? More funding and effort put into the Schools Regatta? A Junior HOR?
Your opinions Juniors? And non-Juniors?
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Post by rowbyrow on Oct 1, 2008 11:44:21 GMT
Well one thing that should definately be emphasised is the need for retainment of athletes just out of junior, too many times it has been seen that good juniors simply drop out of the sport when moved up into inter or U-23.
The Schools Regatta needs to be expanded and clubs should try to encourage schools in their area to take part, its where their cache of athletes comes from and the basis of schools in conjunction with clubs rowing should be welcomed.
Also while the juniors may make up over half of this countries rowing population, we are still leagues behind other rowing nations percentage wise. More should be done to encourage recruitment at a national level.
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Post by superdacentrower on Oct 1, 2008 21:58:04 GMT
on the issue of the schools regatta
schools rowing is fine if you can have that school going to more than just the schools reggata
if you have proper rowing schools like bish jes or cai
its a bit of a waste of time if you have schools who are just fielding athletes who already row for clubs under the school for the schools regatta
if the school does not have a rowing program of there own eg without club oarsmen
then they are just sending a pack of begginers onto the water for there first time. they might not even have a boat . if they do what about coaching i don't think i need to tell anyone on this board how hard rowing is to learn
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Post by scullingthenation on Oct 2, 2008 8:43:16 GMT
Although last year anyone could enter under their school. So I think for example, most of the Carlow lads go to the same school, so they were able to enter a succesful "club" boat as a school, I think something similar happened with Athlone RC, Offaly...
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Post by lightiechick on Oct 2, 2008 12:27:31 GMT
Some relevant points above. If you are just tapping into the same pool of rowers is there any gain ? Does it make a difference if four girls row as Carlow RC or Carlow College (sorry - dont know names of Carlow schools) ? There might be a benefit if any of those schools decide to form their own club but how likely is that ? School clubs are normally founded because there is a driver in that school not because the principal liked the kids rowing in the School colours in Castlewellan. I also fail to see the benefit of inter-pros. What I WOULD like to see is more development sessions or camps for the kids from Junior 15 up so that those with potential are identified and developed within a structure.
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Post by angrychair on Oct 2, 2008 13:15:32 GMT
God Lightie, here was I reading your post and for once actually agreeing with what you had to say - then you go and ruin it all by saying you don't agree with the Inter-pro's
Agree, Schools Regattas are just another way of oarspeople from commercial (small c) clubs rowing under a different name against people from established schools who compete against each other anyways so don't think too much reliance can be put on a schools specific regatta being the saviour of junior rowing - if taking that approach why not just establish a junior only regatta as opposed to a schools one - I'm not writing off the idea but don't hold it in much regards
On the Inter-pro's - I remember when I was junior it was a great honour, you got to know other guys from other clubs and unless they have something substantial planned for J16's I think its a great option to bring a bunch of good talented oarspeople together as a first step in the hope that some if not all of them go on and compete together at J18
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Post by lightiechick on Oct 2, 2008 13:58:24 GMT
Doctors differ Angry. My experience was that someone was thrown a pile of red shirts at a regatta and told go put a Munster crew together. The crew which had never rowed together before consisted of who were known by the individual with the shirts under his arm, who happened to be at that particular regatta and who was not on the water at that particular time. Perhaps if it was organised better it might work but I still prefer camps for the J15/J16's
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Post by rowbyrow on Oct 2, 2008 17:17:15 GMT
In terms of the inter provincials, it is a very good idea in theory but to be put back into practice it has to be done correctly and dealt with properly. Proper selection procedures need to be put in place etc. However with some people & clubs feeling that irish duty etc. takes away from club rowing will this just add another layer to this?? Personally i agree with inter pro's as i would advocate support of international trialling and selection and i believe this would hopefully prepare younger members in the sport for this process when they become older, giving them valuable experience etc.
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Post by scullingthenation on Oct 2, 2008 18:47:36 GMT
Regarding the Inter-Pros which I was never lucky enough to row in but remember watching, the standard was always high, and think they should be offered at all levels!
As regards selection, maybe if they were selected in the form of some kind of regional sprint, similar to the regional head trials at the moment?
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Post by superdacentrower on Oct 2, 2008 22:24:47 GMT
is inter pros for j16/15
why not make a international event for j16/15 like the english have
they have a thing called the anglo french match
why were the inter pros done away with
would it not get in the way of international trialling
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Post by ahempacher on Oct 24, 2008 23:05:20 GMT
Doctors differ Angry. My experience was that someone was thrown a pile of red shirts at a regatta and told go put a Munster crew together. The crew which had never rowed together before consisted of who were known by the individual with the shirts under his arm, who happened to be at that particular regatta and who was not on the water at that particular time. Perhaps if it was organised better it might work but I still prefer camps for the J15/J16's I agree with the idea that the Inter Pro's should be resurrected and the general idea behind them is sound. However, Lightie chick has described what basically used to happen above, or at least when I was Junior. The Interpro's should be something that people should aim for. Junior or Senior. Could be an interesting an refreshing way of selecting the Homes actually... |
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