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Post by frontstops on Jun 24, 2010 10:17:09 GMT
How did Commercial lightweight Pair get selected for Homes?
Dowling trialled and came a respectable 3rd in pair with Doyle from UCD.
Murphy did not trial at all, not even in single!
Both are bowsides!
Questionable selection if you ask me...
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Post by Oldreliable on Jun 24, 2010 11:33:14 GMT
Frontstops - where did you finish in the trials? I love the bitterness  |
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Post by ph on Jun 24, 2010 13:17:00 GMT
How many lightweights put their names forward for sweep places in the Homes? I'm not trying to be a wise ass here, genuinely don't know. Surely they couldn't have been selected over people who went for it, so were they just picked because no-one else went for it?
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Post by theshark on Jun 25, 2010 15:16:24 GMT
How did Commercial lightweight Pair get selected for Homes? Dowling trialled and came a respectable 3rd in pair with Doyle from UCD. Murphy did not trial at all, not even in single! Both are bowsides! Questionable selection if you ask me... Did you not see the bench press trial at metro? Rumour has it Dowlings massive lift brought Murphy up a few notches! |
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Post by frontstops on Jun 26, 2010 21:27:37 GMT
If I was DUBC (Jaques), Neptune (O'Carroll), or CAI (Archibald), all scullers who declared, weighed in, and raced lightweight. Or anyone who was in the pairs trial and declared as a lightweight.
I would be pretty pissed off to see someone, who did not even show up at all, get in ahead of me.
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Post by strokeside on Jun 26, 2010 21:51:33 GMT
frontstops - As you seem to know a lot about the selection process can you answer the question posed by ph "How many lightweights put their names forward for sweep places in the Homes?"
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Post by frontstops on Jun 26, 2010 23:28:50 GMT
Strokeside - Total unknown to joe soap...
Selectors, those who declared, and and Metro regatta can only tell us.
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Post by Oldreliable on Jun 28, 2010 16:27:23 GMT
To be fair Dowling and Murphy are two lightweights who were in the coxless 4 that rowed down the NUIG heavyweight 4 and were just beaten by .3 of a second. I wouldn't question Murphys performance as a lightweight given that result - the guy obviously knows how to pull hard.
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Post by The Little Lebowski on Jun 29, 2010 7:48:13 GMT
Fair enough Oldreliable, they guys are obviously able to move a boat and have had some good performances this year and deserve a place.
However the selection protocol document stated:
"The Senior Mens Team for the Home International Regatta will be selected based on the results of events at Dublin Metropolitan Regatta on 12th June 2010.
Any athlete wishing to be considered for selection for the Senior Mens Team must enter either the appropriate M1x/LM1x/MU231x or M2-/MU232- events. These events will be timed, as part of the Grand League, and individual rankings will be established from these."
It doesn't mention anything about having a really good race in the S4-.
This is a pure lack of transparency of selection. the selectors should stick to their own protocol once published.
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Post by lasciate on Jun 29, 2010 14:39:37 GMT
I've been talking to them and they have.
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Post by radioactiveman on Jun 29, 2010 15:51:43 GMT
I'd have Dowling and Murphy in my boat before any of the other lads named anyday.
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Post by pandemic on Jun 29, 2010 16:36:32 GMT
frontstops - even though the selectors did not go along with their original criteria for selection, the lightweights you mentioned only made to C and D finals respectively with 3 other lightweights comfortably ahead of them according to the times. So I think it would be ridiculous to send them out in a pair...which surely they would've entered in the first place if that was they're better event rather than the single!
Also how could the two Commercial lads both be bow siders if they're being sent out in the pair together?
I think Dowling's selection must be based on his performance in the pair coming 3rd. Probably the highest placed lightweight in that event.
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Post by strokeside on Jun 29, 2010 21:19:47 GMT
I have been doing some digging and am now pretty sure that no lightweight pair raced. The criteria was Any athlete wishing to be considered for selection for the Senior Mens Team must enter either the appropriate M1x/LM1x/MU231x or M2-/MU232- events. Should the selectors in the interest of transparency stick to their own protocol and not select a crew as Lebowski suggests ? Having seen the MS4 race I think they made a good choice. Overall I think the selection process this year was open and has produced a good team who will hopefully bring back a bunch of medals.
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Post by ahempacher on Jul 1, 2010 9:57:11 GMT
Its the Homes. At this stage people should know that selection is rarely transparent and clear. If you get the call you get the call.
I doubt that Mr McElroy or Cassidy give two flying f**cks about the Homes in terms of the grand scheme.
Never the less, fair is fair. Or rather, fair should be fair.
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Post by waughboy on Jul 24, 2010 17:32:03 GMT
How did Commercial lightweight Pair get selected for Homes? Dowling trialled and came a respectable 3rd in pair with Doyle from UCD. Murphy did not trial at all, not even in single! Both are bowsides! Questionable selection if you ask me... And they won in a good race, so that was a justified selection, all round good results in the pairs 4 out of the 6 pair events were won by ireland. Anybody think having that j16 development camp at the same time was a tad unprofessional? |
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